Gerdau S.A. (GGB), a leading steel producer, reported its first-quarter financial results for 2024 and discussed strategic plans during its recent earnings call. CEO Gustavo Werneck and CFO Rafael Japur provided insights into the company's performance and future outlook, including details on financial metrics, business operations, and capital investment strategies.
Despite facing challenges such as currency depreciation in Argentina, Gerdau showcased a strong working capital position and a commitment to shareholder returns with upcoming dividend payments. The company also highlighted its focus on optimizing operations in Brazil and expanding its footprint in North America and Mexico, with a feasibility study underway for a new investment to serve the automotive industry in Mexico.
Key Takeaways
- Gerdau's CapEx for Q1 2024 was BRL 858 million, split evenly between maintenance and competitiveness projects.
- The company experienced positive operations in North America and Brazil, with increased shipments and a better domestic market mix.
- Gerdau ended Q1 with a working capital position of BRL 15.4 billion, a 9% increase from the previous quarter.
- The company reported a negative free cash flow of BRL 610 million but would have been positive under the previous model.
- Dividends will be paid on May 27 and 28, with BRL 0.28 per share for Gerdau S.A. and BRL 0.19 per share for Metallurgica Gerdau.
- A feasibility study is in progress for a potential new investment in Mexico, targeting the automotive industry.
Company Outlook
- Gerdau plans to issue debentures worth BRL 1.5 billion in Q2 to refinance short-term debts.
- The company is focused on improving competitiveness in Brazil by optimizing assets and potentially ceasing operations at less competitive mills.
- Investments in sustainable mining and flat steel are ongoing in Brazil, with the Jackson plant in the U.S. recently modernized.
Bearish Highlights
- Revenues and costs in Q4 2023 were negatively affected by the Argentine currency depreciation.
- The Shakya plant in Brazil temporarily halted production due to heavy rainfall, prioritizing employee safety.
Bullish Highlights
- Executives are optimistic about the recovery of the special steels market, particularly in the U.S.
- The company expects to see an improvement in the civil construction industry in Brazil and a better export mix.
Misses
- Gerdau experienced a compression of the spread between prime scrap and obsolete scrap, leading to decreased revenue in Q4.
- Shipments dropped compared to production, which may be due to seasonal factors and inventory management.
Q&A Highlights
- The company is confident in maintaining margins in North America and improving costs and competitiveness through previous investments.
- Gerdau is considering extending blast furnace operations until at least 2026, which may postpone certain investments.
- Executives expect to reduce working capital in the second half of the year and are evaluating a potential buyback program based on cash generation.
Gerdau's strategic moves, including the potential expansion in Mexico and asset optimization in Brazil, reflect its efforts to adapt to market conditions and enhance profitability. The company's leadership expressed confidence in navigating the challenges ahead and capitalizing on growth opportunities, particularly in the automotive sector. Investors and stakeholders can anticipate further developments on Gerdau's initiatives in the next earnings conference call scheduled for August 2024.
InvestingPro Insights
Gerdau S.A. (GGB) continues to navigate the market with a strategic focus, as reflected in its recent financial performance and future plans. With a market capitalization of $7.41 billion and a Price to Earnings (P/E) ratio of 5.41, the company stands as a significant player in the steel industry. Notably, the adjusted P/E ratio for the last twelve months as of Q4 2023 is 5.77, indicating a slight increase over the standard P/E ratio.
InvestingPro Tips suggest that Gerdau's lower Price to Book ratio of 0.81 for the same period could signal an undervaluation relative to its assets, which might be of interest to value-oriented investors. Moreover, the company's dividend yield as of the latest data is 1.85%, which, despite a significant dividend growth decrease of -94.27% in the last twelve months, still provides a return for shareholders.
From a revenue perspective, Gerdau reported $14.206 billion in the last twelve months as of Q4 2023, with a gross profit margin of 16.44%. However, the company experienced a revenue decline of -16.38% during the same period, reflecting some of the challenges mentioned in the earnings call.
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Full transcript - Gerdau (GGB) Q1 2024:
Renata Oliva Battiferro: Good afternoon and welcome to Gerdau's Conference Call Results for the First Quarter 2024. I'm Renata, Investor Relations. Here with us today are Rafael Japur and Gustavo Werneck. We would like to inform you that this video conference is being recorded and it will be available on the IR side of the company where the entire material is available for download. It is also possible to download the presentation using the chat icon. I would like to remind you that the broadcast of this video conference is being done with simultaneous translation using the tool available in the platform. For that end, just click on the Interpretation icon via the globe icon that is in the lower part of your screen, and then choose the language of your choice either Portuguese or English. For those of you listening to this video conference in English, you have the option to mute the original audio in Portuguese by clicking mute original audio. During the company's presentation, all participants will have their microphones disabled. After that, we will initiate the Q&A session. Analysts and investors can send in their questions in advance using the Q&A and you can open your video if you so desire. Business outlook and goals of this presentation are based on beliefs and assumptions of the company's management as well as information currently available. Forward looking statements are not guarantees of performance and depend on circumstances that may or may not occur. Investors should understand the general economic conditions, market conditions and other operating factors could affect the future results of the company and may differ substantially from those expressed in such forward-looking statements. Now, I would like to turn the floor to Gustavo Werneck to initiate the presentation. Gustavo, you may proceed.
Gustavo Werneck: Hello everyone. I hope you are well, and thank you for the opportunity to meet with us during this video conference to discuss Gerdau's results for the first quarter of 2024. I’m joined by our CFO, Rafael Japur and it's always a pleasure for both of us to talk to you about our performance and to clarify any points that may arise during our presentation. I'll start by talking about the macro business environment about the highlights of the overall results and then I will detail the performance of our business operations in the quarter. Right after that, Japur will share with you some information on our financial performance. And finally, we'll highlight some points from our sustainability agenda and then we'll move on to our Q&A session. But before we move on to the presentation of our results, on behalf of all of Gerdau’s employees, I would like to express our solidarity to the population Rio Grande do Sul, which is going through a very difficult period due to the intense and heavy rains that have hit the state since the beginning of the week. Gerdau as a company original from Rio Grande do Sul is providing all the assistance needed and we are supporting our employees and neighboring communities in mitigating the damages. The company maintains an open dialogue with the competent authorities and we will spare no efforts to stand side by side and meet the needs of the population in this challenging moment. Now, on the second slide, I would like to point out that we ended the first quarter of ‘24 with an accident frequency rate of 0.47, reinforcing our commitment to the people's health and safety. At Gerdau safety always comes first since no result is more important than people's lives. With this in mind, I would like to say that in April to celebrate the World Safety Day, we held a number of workshops, seminars and activities and all of our plans and corporate offices in the countries where we operate to share lessons learned and reinforce our culture of active care and safety, focused on monitoring critical activities and accident prevention. Over the next three slides, I would like to emphasize that Gerdau continues to differentiate itself by delivering solid financial results to its shareholders and pursuing a transparent business strategy, based on strong discipline in cost management and the continuous improvement of the competitiveness of its assets. We continue to look for opportunities to adapt the company's structure to the current business scenario. Furthermore, I would like to highlight the growth in steel exports from China throughout the first quarter as the main factor impacting our business in the markets where we operate. The growth of the Chinese economy, whose GDP rose by 5.3% in the first quarter was also accompanied by an increase in exports of 5% in the same period. At the same time, the infrastructure and residential construction segments in that country continue to lose prominence as drivers of the local economy, which has resulted in a significant imbalance between steel supply and demand in the Chinese domestic market. Steel exports rose by 25% in March, reaching almost 10 million tons, and in the quarter the increase was 31%, reaching 26 million tons negatively impacting the world steel market since the surplus steel production intended for export has been subsidized by the Chinese government. In this regard, I would like to acknowledge the Brazilian government for its recently announced trade defense measures aimed at defending the Brazilian industry against unfair competition from imports along the lines of initiatives already taken by other countries such as the U.S., Mexico and the nations that make up the European Union. The establishment of a mix system on 11 Common Nomenclature Mercosur or NCM with import quotas, which once reached are subject to an import tariff of 25% for anything above that ceiling, which is an important step towards forward in terms of competitive equality and covers around 25% of product mix sold by Gerdau in Brazil. I would also like to stress that the trade defense measures announced are the first step, but do not yet solve all the challenges faced by the Brazilian steel industry. We will continue to monitor the real impacts of this trade defense initiative will have on the domestic market in the short-term and move forward with request for anti-dumping analysis with the appropriate agencies. Now moving to Slide 6, I will talk about the highlights of each of our business operations and the outlook for the coming months. On Slide 7, we see that in the first quarter of 2024, we saw a recovery in shipments and in the performance of the North America business operation, when compared to the previous period. This performance reflects the resilience of the North American market, which contributed to keeping local demand for steel at healthy levels with our backlog remaining stable at a high level of around 55 days. The U.S. market continues to be positively impacted by government measures such as Inflation Reduction Act, IRA reassuring movement and the maintenance of Section 232. We continue to invest in improving operating efficiency and the modernization of our units in North America in order to provide a portfolio of innovative products and solutions that meet the current and future needs of our customers. Such, for instance, the future demand for steel linked to the large investments planned in infrastructure in the country. I would also like to highlight the modernization of the Jackson Plant in Tennessee, which will further increase the plant's competitiveness and will become an even more relevant service center to cater to our customers in that region. Moving on to the next slide. I will now talk about our special steel business operation. The automotive market in the U.S. continues to recover gradually with production of light and heavy vehicles projected to be above 16 million units in 2024, with normalized inventory levels. There is still room, however, for a more intense recovery in the coming periods returning to pre-pandemic levels. In addition, I would like to report that we are starting feasibility studies for the construction of a greenfield unit for the production of special steels in Mexico. This move reflects the positive outlook for the local automotive industry and the near shoring movement in the United States, which have had a positive impact on the performance of the Mexican economy. In turn, the outlook for the special steel market in Brazil remain more optimistic as more optimistic as a result of some signs that point out to a recovery in the automotive activity, especially in the heavy segment. Truck production in the first quarter exited 29,000 units, up 19.7% on the same period of 2023 according to [Alzavia] data. For buses, the increase was 61.6% with 6,500 units manufactured. The market, however, remain attentive to the uncertainties, is still linked to access to credit lines, high interest rates and excessive entry of imported vehicles. Now moving to the next slide, I will now talk about the long and flat steel market in Brazil whose performance in the first quarter continue to be impacted by the strong influx of imported steel in the country. Since the trade defense measures that I mentioned earlier on had not yet been announced. Between January and March, imports reached 1.3 million tons up 25% when compared to the same period of last year according to data from the Brazil Steel Institute. In March alone, volumes of imported steel jumped by 46% leading to a penetration rate from imported goods to be close to 20%. I would also like to comment that we continue to expect the development of some positive indicators for the Brazilian market, especially with regards to the construction industry and a more significant drop in interest rates. One example is the federal government signaling that it will introduce measures to release around BRL300 billion for real estate loans, which should help boost this market going forward. We now move on to the next slide to talk about the South America business operation. I will start by saying that we completed the divestment of our operations in Columbia and the Dominican Republic during the first quarter as part of our capital allocation strategy, which focuses on the growth and competitiveness of our assets with the greatest potential for generating value in the long-term. In Argentina, on the other hand, inflationary measure import restrictions and the economic measures taken by the new administration such as the devaluation of the Argentine peso remain points of attention for the performance of the local market in the coming quarters. Uruguay scenario remains positive, reflecting good levels of steel consumption, particularly coming from the agribusiness sector and also by public and private investments. And Peru, meanwhile, GDP in February rose by almost 20 -- the highest peak in February in the last 20 months due to mining and construction sectors, especially public works. I'll now turn over to Japur and then I'll come back to talk about our sustainability journey and then to answer your questions.
Rafael Japur: Thank you, Gustavo. Hello, everyone. It's always a great pleasure to be here with you to announce Gerdau’s first quarter 2024 earnings. With regard to financial results, we ended the quarter with an EBITDA of BRL2,813 million s with an EBITDA margin of 17.4%, 3.5 percentage points higher than the previous quarter, as we can see on the chart on the left. The growth in EBITDA happened in all Gerdau business operations driven mainly by the North American operation, where we also had an expansion of our shipments. In addition, we had a better mix in our Brazil operation with lower export shipments and more deliveries to the domestic market as shown in the graph on the right. In addition to the more positive operating context, we recall that revenues as well as costs in the fourth quarter of 2023 have been negatively impacted by the currency depreciation in Argentina. Now speaking about the working capital, on the next slide, we ended the quarter with a position of BRL15.4 billion, despite this 9% increase compared to Q4 ’23. It is important to highlight that our cash conversion cycle fell to 86 days due to the 10% increase in net sales, which boosted the client's account. When we compare our working capital with the same period last year to take into account seasonality, we can already see an important reduction of BRL900 million in our working capital. Looking at a graph on the right, we see from the bars highlighted in red that typically the first quarter of each year consumes cash due to the recovery of sales volumes after maintenance stoppages that we normally do at the end of the year. Let's talk more about cash flow on the next slide. In Q1 ‘24, we adopted a new free cash flow model. The aim is to support reconciliation with the cash flow statement of the financial statements and with our cash position at the beginning and end of each quarter. As we saw in the previous slide of this quarter, we had a significant investment in working capital totaling BRL1.1 billion, driven with increase in revenues in all the company's businesses. We executed our CapEx in line with the plan, also dispersing BRL1.1 billion. Heading to columns, we had a negative free cash flow of BRL610 million in the first quarter. For comparison purposes, if we were to apply the previous format of free cash flow, we would have had a cash flow generation of BRL85 million positive. On the next slide, we'll talk about liquidity in debt. Our liquidities to stood at a robust BRL10.3 billion and we closed the first quarter with a gross debt of BRL11 billion. We continue with an excellent leverage level with a net debt over EBITDA ratio of 0.4x. In addition, during the second quarter, we plan to issue debentures in the amount of BRL1.5 billion with a five year materiality to roll over some short-term debts. A host spread and interest rates are currently above our cost of new funding, also taking advantage of the good momentum and extending our 2024 and 2025 obligations to 2029. Moving on to the next slide, let's talk about the return to our shareholders. Gerdau S.A. and Metallurgica Gerdau will pay dividends on May 27 and 28 respectively. Gerdau S.A. will pay BRL0.28 per share, while Metallurgica Gerdau will pay out BRL0.19 per share. In both cases, shareholder positions as of May 5 positions as of May 15, 2024 will be taken into account. We would like to remind you that on April 22, Gerdau S.A. shareholders received a bonus of one new share for every five shares of the same type. Our shares have been trading at the price adjusted by the bonus, since April 18. Now let's talk about CapEx. In Q1, our CapEx investment totaled BRL858 million with 50% going to maintenance projects and 50% to competitiveness projects. To date, we have invested 41% of the BRL11.9 billion forecast in Gerdau's strategic CapEx for 2021 to 2026 cycle. In the next slides, we will highlight some of these projects. In Brazil, we highlight a sustainable mining and flat steel investments in Minas Gerais. Both projects are already significantly ahead of schedule, both physically and financially. We have already received all the critical equipment for our new mining complex in Miguel Burnier and work in progress for starting operation in the end of next year. In our Ouro Branco unit, the expansion of the hot rolled -- of the coiled rolled strip has already entered the assembly phase for the rolling mills and main engines and is scheduled to start operating at the end of this year. In the United States, we would like to highlight conclusion of the modernization of the rolling mill at the Jackson plant in Tennessee, which will lead to greater competitiveness by expanding the product mix, allowing for a one-stop shop business model at this unit. With that, thank you very much for your attention. I'll join you, Gustavo during the Q&A session.
Gustavo Werneck: Thank you, Rafael Japur. On the following slide, I detail the progress we have made in our sustainability journey. Gerdau stood out as the B2B industrial company with the best reputation in Brazil according to the 10 edition of the Merck 2023 ranking. The company climbed 10 positions compared to last year, reaching 24 places among the 100 Brazilian organizations evaluated. The company is the only steel producer in the ranking and remained the leader in the mining, steel and metallurgy category. The survey carried out by the corporate reputation business monitor Brazil or Merco. The survey identified the top a 100 companies with the best reputation in Brazil and involved more than 11,000 respondents. Merco's research methodology includes six evaluations with 25 different groups and sources of information, taking into account economic and financial results, the quality of the commercial offer, talent, ethics and corporate responsibility, the international dimension and innovation. This recognition reflects our commitment to a continuous and transparent dialogue with all our stakeholders into strengthening the Gerdau brand's connection with society in general. And as the result of the efforts made by our more than 30,000 employees to build the Gerdau of the future. I would like to thank everyone for listening to our comments or initial remarks. From now on, we will be available to answer questions and to go into more detail on your points of interest. Thank you very much.
A - Renata Oliva Battiferro: Thank you, Gustavo. We now initiate the Q&A session. For please click in the Q&A icon in the bottom of your screen and write down your question to get in line. Once your name is called, you will receive a pop-up to activate your microphone. So activate your microphone and ask your question. In case you want to use video, please let us know so that we can enable your camera. Please ask all of your questions at once. We will now proceed to our first question.
Caio Ribeiro: Caio Ribeiro sell-side analyst from Bank of America. The question is, good morning, everyone. My first question would be about the Brazil BD. I do understand that early this year the company's strategy was focused on capturing market share, but I would like to see if you see any room to increase prices along the following months. And if you can tell us, what kind of margin you could reach throughout the year in this segment, especially when initiatives of cutting costs are delivered, I would be really happy with it. And also, the initiatives to cut costs in Brazil is my other question. Whether these will be enough measures to significantly reduce the pressure coming from imported goods and whether you could also anticipate price increases in the short run?
Gustavo Werneck: Thank you, Renata for the introduction. And Caio, thank you for your question. I don't think my video is enabled but will start answering your question. And Japur, if you have anything to add, please do so. This commercial defense was not a simple journey. We've been talking about this topic in the past quarters and months and in our view, there has been a positive advancement. Finally, the Brazilian government heard the claims from the steel industry and it gave a first step. I mean, this is not the last step. I think this was the first step given that allows us to evaluate in more details, what will be the performance from now on. And from this point forward, we will make adjustments to this mechanism so that in the coming months, we will have a more fair competition scenario. In this first measure, I think the main question from the industry was not particularly the fact that they consider this time period between 2020 and 2022, but they also added that additional 30%. We understand that this followed a certain appropriate methodology and the question that usually appears is why is it that 11 NCM was more focused on flats rather than long steels? Because flats were the main products that had a more aggressive penetration in the market during this period between 2020 and 2022. But there is a very clear commitment on the part of the federal government that as other products, including long steels as imports increase along the coming months, new measures and new NCM may be put in place. Therefore, in general, it was a very positive measure and the government also took into account claims from other sectors that initially were against it. And I understand that these sectors, as I was saying before, it was just a matter of time that these Chinese imports would also have an impact in other industries in Brazil, and this is what happened. Therefore, there was a general consensus from the industry that if Brazil were not to fight the entry of imported goods, not only in the steel industry but in other industrial segments, this could become a very, very difficult problem to manage. Therefore, the measures were considered very positive. We do not believe that in the short-term, this would be translated into a significant price increase or the rebound or profitability. So in the next few months, the pricing issue will be mostly related to getting more competitiveness related to coal or other raw materials and factors that now can also impact price. But there will be no short-term measure or pricing or increase in import premium. I believe that the major gain to be captured in the next few months, it will be an increase in production in the domestic market. These would be like material gains going forward. . Now market share, as we mentioned in the first quarter was not a specific recovery strategy or measures to recover market share in a particular quarter. Because at the end, it is related to something that I've been telling you before because we are putting a greater focus on the domestic market. The production capacity that we had and still have in Brazil for export. I've been telling you that this will no longer exist in the future in Brazil. It will be more and more complex for us to export from Brazil. Therefore, this market share that we mentioned in the first quarter is more related to a more intense focus to the Brazilian market. So we will gear that export capacity to new products, to new things that with time can generate new investments, particularly in Ouro Branco of our export capacity. So it was just a consequence of our mid- to long-term strategy rather than some one-off actions in the first quarter just to recover market share. In general terms, I mean this is what I would have to say. And Japur, if you want to add anything please jump in.
Rafael Japur: Caio, good afternoon. In addition to what Gustavo said, I think we -- I mean, I must say that we are very pleased with that measure. It was a major progress because we work together with the government for a few months, and that ended up in these measures and these measures can help us to increase our operating leverage with increased sales volumes -- increased shipments. We saw particularly in the last quarter, we saw an increase in imported goods to the domestic market. And so we understand that this new measure will help us have a more reasonable market and this will -- and when we think that there was an increase of almost 10 percentage points of penetration of imported raw materials, when compared to the numbers we had last year.
Renata Oliva Battiferro: Our next question is from Rodolfo Angele, sell-side analyst from JPMorgan. It came in writing, but he asked me to open the camera. So please, can you open Rodolfo's camera. I was just promoted to panelists. Now we can see you well, great.
Rodolfo Angele: So one of my questions -- I mean two questions have been answered. So I only have one question left. I would like to ask you to elaborate a bit more on that Mexico project. Can you give me some more color, tell me a little bit more about the rationale? If there is anything you can tell me in addition to the article that was published on [São Paulo], I think CapEx of BRL500 million, something in that order. So that I can check my economics of this new investment.
Gustavo Werneck: Let me and start with the concept behind it. Rodolfo, as you know, we've been operating in Mexico for some time. We are quite aware of everything that is happening in Mexico and in the U.S. So it's very impressive to see all of the investments that have been announced in Mexico, more particularly investments from the automotive industry. If you look at the segments we serve today, I mean, large structural profiles and rebars. There were months in Mexico that there was a scarcity of rebars. And we we've been visited by some clients, and they've been consulting on us. Therefore, they are building new productive capacities in Mexico and all of that to cater to these new investments in Mexico from Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA), BMW (ETR:BMWG), et cetera. And even though Mexico is where it is today, they import special steels today. With our investments in Mexico and with the platform that we'll be able to serve that automotive industry in the near future. I would say that we are highly motivated to increase our productive capacity because there is a market and there is demand. Therefore, now we are engaged in a more detailed feasibility study. Throughout this year, we will continue with that study, that it should be concluded by the end of the year, and then we will make a final decision to be submitted to the Board by the end of the year. So starting 2025, if it is approved, we will then mobilize the resources to start with our new capacity in Mexico in 2026. I mean we do not have all the members yet, but Japur has some things. So maybe I'll turn the floor over to him so he can give you a little bit more color.
Rafael Japur: I can shed some more light to some of the points that Gustavo mentioned. The Mexican market, they import still the market is of about 1.2 million tonnes. It's a significant market, but they import 70% of all of the materials they need for auto parts. But at the same time, they are the largest exporter of auto parts to the U.S. We are already participating in some operations in La Brea and others in Mexico. But in addition, we sell a significant amount of special skills to Mexico from our operations in the U.S. and Brazil. Therefore, we already have a good footprint in Mexico with important clients. Therefore, part of our rationale is based on that and also due to our expertise with special steels in North America and our knowledge of the Mexican market. So for the next coming months until the end of the year, we will take a deeper look into the economics to find what will be the best location. So we have to make decisions related to our partners, supply chain and important customers that are investing more heavily in Mexico, also taking into account a more detailed analysis about cost. Last time, we look at Mexico was 10 years ago with our land in that country. Therefore, it's important that we look at CapEx and costs until we have the approval, and we see some concrete returns. And finally, between the opening and disclose the steady to customers in the market in general in addition to being in line with our assumptions and our transparency towards the market. We should have some constructive conversations with our customers to understand what would be the ideal product mix that they will demand in view of the investments that they themselves are contemplated. In special steels, once we certify a product, we are certifying a platform that will consume still five years into the future once we get into production. Therefore, this investment has to be well coordinated with the entire supply chain, where it's not simply to sell for distribution. I just have a final comment. The amount that you mentioned that was published is a market reference. It's not an internal number that we have. We are conducting studies to understand what are the synergies that can be captured with our current operations. We haven't yet announced any specific location where the productive capacity will be installed. We are still in negotiations with the local government. So it will be a bit premature to tell you what will be the amount of the investment. But in order of magnitude in looking at other geographies, it is within the range that was mentioned by the press. I think they got that amount from other investments we made in other geographies. But this is not yet the final amount.
Rodolfo Angele: Gustavo, I just have a very quick follow-up. The chance of being a ground field is zero, right? We are talking about a new plant, you will not operate as part of a unit you already have?
Gustavo Werneck: No, special to investments, Rodolfo. They are very different from traditional investments or long steel investments. Just to certify a plant like that, to start supplying to a customer, it takes two years and that requires a very specific expertise. It's not for anyone to do it. And the synergy will come from the acquisition of scrap and other synergies. But using any existing plant, no, definitely not.
Renata Oliva Battiferro: Next question from Marcio Farid, sell-side analyst at Goldman Sachs is asking to ask the question live so let's enable Marcio's camera, please.
Marcio Farid: Well, I guess that Q1 numbers were even better than expected. But in our analysis, at least a good part of the surprise came from cost reductions. I think volume remains relatively weak in most divisions, but particularly for long steel in Brazil. So my question is, how do you see this volume improvement? Gustavo, you spoke a little about Brazil and how revenues and tariffs can hope? But if you could speak about the other regions, particularly the U.S. and also on the cost front, again, you spoke a little about some improvements via raw material. But is there any room to deliver a greater profitability perhaps in the Brazil operation? And where are the main points of attention? Where are you putting more effort and perhaps you could quantify these efforts for us? U.S. unlike Brazil continues to be a positive surprise. I think that recently, we saw a little discount from Nucor (NYSE:NUE) for rebar perhaps for merchant bars as well. So if you could speak about how you see the North America market in the margin? And also, CapEx execution in Q1, when we analyze the number, it was way below the annual guidance. I just want to understand, Japur, perhaps you could give us more color on how you would expect to spend the CapEx during the year?
Gustavo Werneck: I'll try to talk about the concept, Japur and then you speak about the numbers and cost, okay? Let's start with North America. Marcio, is all very solid. The orders keep coming. Our backlog is very stable. Still in the backlog, we don't have great orders related to the infrastructure build that's coming, but slowly. Of the things we have not understood well at the time, we thought that this was going to come faster, but there is a matter of state funding, project execution. So it took longer than we expected because it's been a while since we had such a big infrastructure package. So it's starting to come, but it's not that representative. To us, it is certainty that the backlog continues high. What we see in the present is the IRA orders for merchant bars that service racks for solar panels. So we have a backlog and orders coming and price will fluctuate up and down because of scrap, but we'll maintain probably the current level of spread. All of the initiatives in the last five years of preparing our mills to compete head-to-head with our competitors has translated positive with -- into positive benefits in terms of improved costs, more competitiveness. I think that for five years, we did well executed work that put us on equal footing with North America competitors. And we have the certainty that in the next quarters, perhaps years, the margins we're seeing will remain. We don't see any clouds in the horizon. They could challenge the results that we delivered in North America. Japur, anything that you would like to add? Well, Marcio, regarding Brazil, Japur will give us the numbers, but I'd like to make to some point. Number one, we are not going to cancel or postpone any of the investments already announced in Brazil, particularly for in Ouro Branco. We understand that these investments advanced independently of China and trade issues, they are more related to the relevant transformation that we are going to have so that we can get out of Brazil historical productive capacity for exporting. In the next 10 years, we believe that the windows may be closed. Perhaps one quarter or another, we'll have a spot opportunity to export. But this market has been closing, and it will continue to be closed for a long time. So we need to transform this exporting capacity redirected to the domestic market with higher added value products. That's why we're investing a lot in mining, so that we can get our supply for the next 40 years in the coiled hot strip rolling mills that will start operating. All of that so that Ouro Branco will not be working for exporting. So we're maintaining these investments. The trade defense measures will help us have more volume in the currently operating mills and plants. This will help us dilute fixed costs and improve operations. But there's another transformation we're still looking into. We don't have details to disclose right now, but it will happen. In light of everything that I mentioned, a significant change, focusing on the domestic market rather than exports, we'll optimize the assets in Brazil as well. I'll get these more competitive mills that we have, we'll have more production there. Perhaps we'll stop producing some less competitive mills. So we have a plan that is not totally finished, but it will at least be started this year. So that we can take a step forward in Brazil to gain competitiveness, not just reducing prices of raw material, but also significantly improving the way we use the existing portfolio in Brazil. We don't think that this will be translated into cost improvements in the coming quarters. But over time, with certain that will be more competitive when we optimize these assets. I'll turn the floor to Japur because he has all the numbers. And he'll give us the timing when we'll see the impact of that on our results. Japur, what are you thinking? What are you seeing?
Rafael Japur: I guess that there are two points to add to what Gustavo said. First, I'd like to summarize two concepts; one, the carryover of our inventory cost -- considering cost of production and cost of sales. We'll look at our working capital today, the biggest account is inventories. It's as big as our working capital account. When we think about our cash conversion cycle of about 86 days, it means that the inventory count has the same size, 86 days. Everything we consume, produce and including cost of goods sold, they go to our inventory and we'll only see this in cost -- in total selling costs along the following quarter. So there is an important timing aspect here between having a reduction in fixed costs until we see the reduction in variable costs raw, materials and how this translates in our results. So we have to take this into account to when we start making these changes and the time it takes for the benefits to be seen as Gustavo mentioned. And you asked also a question regarding CapEx. I believe it is important to recall two factors. Number one, an important investment we are making today is investing in mining in the region of Minas Gerais. This investment depends on some weather events, more rain or less rain. So we can do some land movement in Minas Gerais. Typically, that's a region where it rains a lot in the first quarter of the year, so that influences the pace, the speed with which we disperse CapEx over the year. That's an important factor. Typically, the main maintenance downtime we have, we do recurring annual stoppages, which are necessary. So a 10-day stoppage to change an element of the furnace, we extend another 5, 10 days to improve the equipment. So these stoppages typically occur in the second half of the year. If we look at recent years, our CapEx disbursement tends to grow comparing the first and the second half of the year. So we have to take into account the seasonality of CapEx and then you understand that CapEx disbursement so far is very much aligned comparing the annual guidance.
Renata Oliva Battiferro: Next question by Daniel Sasson, sell-side analyst with Itau BBA. He is asking to ask his question live.
Daniel Sasson: Well, most of my questions have been answered, but I have a quick one regarding the Brazil operation and I'm sorry to insist. I know that you've started doing the co-work of adapting the footprint, reviewing the footprint and personnel already in the beginning of the year. But perhaps it could give us a little more color because I imagine you're already having additional costs by reviewing the headcount. And perhaps you could quantify to you -- to us what the impact was in Q1? And to what extent this should extend along the first half of the year? And when should we expect to see a structure adapted to the current conditions in your view? So to what extent we can reduce personnel expenses, SG&A, personnel cost per ton because that could be helpful for us to quantify these efficiency gains you're pursuing in the Brazilian operation. My second question is related to the United States. Werneck, I think you mentioned about healthy backlog in the U.S. operation. If anybody had a doubt regarding the sustainability of margins in the United States, I think that little by little, the doubts will vanish. I know you avoid providing guidance or making comments about margins in quantitative terms, sustainable margins in quantitative terms. But perhaps Werneck, you can mention EBITDA margins in the United States versus EBITDA margin in Brazil. Given the Section 232 will continue in place regardless of the results of the U.S. elections. Perhaps U.S. margins can be sustainably better than Brazilian ones, perhaps close to 20%. In Brazil, margins close to 15%. So if you can make qualitative comments about that, it would be helpful.
Gustavo Werneck: I'll make some comments about your two questions. I'm trying to give you a little more color, but I'll not get into the numbers because that is up to Japur. So I made a comment about opportunities that we are pursuing to optimize our assets. That involves initiatives like Cosigua. Cosigua is a relevant mill we have in Rio de Janeiro. It has three rolling mills. Rolling mill one produces rebar and merchant bars. It is a highly competitive role in with excellent costs, and it is not being used in the way it should be used because we have lower volumes in Brazil. So we end producing less with the Cosigua rolling mill. And we believe that in optimizing the assets, we could use the state-of-the-art rolling mill to produce a maximum that it can. It will bring us cost competitiveness. So we are reviewing all of this completely and are ready to disclose the plan. We can do it as soon as it is ready. But it will involve such measures in Ouro Branco. In the future, I mentioned it will become a very relevant platform to supply the domestic market. Volume coming from blast furnace to that is exported will become BQ and new merchant bars. And it will become a number of high added value products for the domestic market. So to have most based in Ouro Branco. Cosigua has rolling mill three, which is very important to us to reinvest in Cosigua to improve the mix of products in this rolling mill. So we have opportunities. Japur can tell us whether we'll see gains coming out of that this year or beyond. But we want to make Gerdau more competitive in Brazil than we are currently. We have room to work with that. And I'll link to the second question now. Daniel, you didn't see it, you will not remember. I don't remember myself. But we would see margins in the United States in North America, higher than Brazilian margins. I'd say that we are doing well over there. We cannot imagine that we're going to see a margin increase. But what we cannot accept that we have the Brazilian margins that we currently have. So we're not working to increase margins in North America, but to bring the Brazilian margins to the same levels we see in North America. We have a combination of margins of the domestic market with exports. So we cannot stop blast furnace 2 right now. That's a process that I mentioned will take a while. So we continue in the spot market to pursue some opportunities to export. When we look at our team, we exported about 20% of the volume with very poor margins. So domestic margins, which are worse than the past, but they are not that bad, and they end up being pushed down, so that's the kind of work that I'm talking about. With short and mid-term actions, we can bring back the Brazil business operation margins to higher levels. In the United States, we are doing five year work. You will remain by the BRL39 per tonne that I mentioned five years ago, the bulk of that has come, but there are some incremental things to do. The focus of our work today is we have big opportunities to be captured in the coming quarters in Brazil. Japur, any additional information?
Rafael Japur: I think that there are two points here. I spoke a little about how our efforts to reduce costs and not immediate because we have investments to be made. And you will see that in our balance sheet in the next quarters, this connects to the previous question, the time it takes to appropriate the cost, so it will be transferred to cost of goods sold, getting out of working capital and going to our results. But we understand that there are important gains and impacts to be derived in the future regarding product mix. I think Gustavo highlighted that. But I think I should underscore that this quarter in the Brazil business operation, we had and a significant increase in domestic sales and the reduction in exports today, with the current level of production and exports from China, not only to Brazil but to the rest of the world at a pace of almost 100 million tonnes exported from China and we consider international prices. Well, they're very low. It's very hard to have production capacity today in Brazil, dedicated and geared to exporting in having return levels and margins similar to the domestic market whenever we can operate as we managed this quarter with a great mix of sales in the domestic market and a certain relative reduction in export volumes, we can derive a gain in profitability, thinking not just in terms of expenses and costs, which are important for a capital-intensive industry and that works on efficiency and it's 123 years of existence, but we should not overlook the commercial area and the mix between domestic market and foreign market.
Daniel Sasson: And Japur, if I may, is it reasonable to say that perhaps in Q4, you think that all of these impacts will be 100% reflected in the financials of the Brazil operation? I understand that the short-term actions we're implementing, those adjustments.
Rafael Japur: I believe, yes, perhaps not fully but in the covering pace, our cost structure will be more reflecting that. Now other moves like Gustavo mentioned, the vacation of our mills, reviewing the footprint. That might require some small investments for adjustments of some rolling mills and gauges. And these adjustments will probably take more time than our quick wins.
Renata Oliva Battiferro: Next question into our Q&A [indiscernible] is an investor. The Ouro Branco unit is responsible for a significant amount of Gerdau's production capacity. In relation to blast furnace 1, what about your schedule to refurbishing because this will impact production? Do you believe that you could extend the campaign?
Gustavo Werneck: That's an interesting question because Ouro Branco's blast furnace 1, it's a very important equipment for us. And the last status we gave you is that we would have a downtime for the refurbishing of the blast furnace last year in 2025. But this downtime will be delayed at least until 2026. We are still evaluating to see whether we can extend that period for a bit longer. We are now being advised by some important advisory companies. That's why we do not need to interrupt the operation of the blast furnace next year. And this may lead to postponement of that investments in that blast furnace one. And that CapEx may be used for other investments like the one in Mexico. Being certain that with this current level of CapEx, and I think we mentioned that many times, we do not intend to increase that CapEx level in the coming years because in our view, this is a very sustainable level because it is enough to support improvements and the growth of our assets, while at the same time, we will be able to invest an important amount of these resources to invest in the health of our plans. So that's it.
Renata Oliva Battiferro: We have another question from Igor sell-side analysts from [indiscernible]. The question is about what would be that variation of BRL251 million that appear in our cash flow? And what is the nature of that cash disbursement, we would just like to get more details about that mismatch concerning that new model? We would like to get more information about that BRL251 million. If I can add with another question received by Bradesco related to cash flow, the question is from Camilla, sell-side analyst at Bradesco. The question it's about costs again. The Brazil cost was a positive surprise. I mean, a good surprise. Despite the increase in coal at the last -- at the end of last year in terms of cash cost per ton, the low single was the only number that increase? What could we expect in terms of costs in Brazil throughout the first half? And could you give me more details about that more robust cost cuts of about BRL1.3 billion in the period? About cash cost, you had a relevant working capital release in the quarter. What should we expect for the coming quarters and for the free cash flow? Could you give me more details about the change in methodology?
Gustavo Werneck: I will ask Renata, if you could show again that slide on cash flow, so that I can elaborate on the changes. While we wait for the slide on cash flow, I will talk about costs. So both Igor and Camilla, one important aspect about costs, I think we already give you details during Marcio's question and Daniel's question as well, I think one aspect to take into account is lead time and the carryover between the cost that we saw for coal and the fact that, that is transferred to our costs. We understand that there was a rebound in the cost of iron ore and other things at the end of last year. This will be impacting the final results of our Brazil DP, and it will impact our variable costs. But we will continue to work on our fixed costs. This quarter, we already saw a reduction in the cost per ton and this will compensate for all of these increases on the side of the variable costs. Now in relation to Igor's questions about changes in the cash flow, the main thing here is that when you look at the flow cash, it was limited to working capital, CapEx, income tax and interest from financial transactions. And once we reconciliated our cash position from the initial of the period to the end of the period, we noticed that there was an important gap coming from other lines that were not broken down in a very clear way in our managerial cash flow. I mean it was very clear in accounting terms, but many times, our analysts wanted more managerial information and we did as well. That's why we decided to put these two points closer together, and that's what we did. So now we can clearly understand what was the cash generated by the business throughout the quarter, we can see capital allocation be it through M&A or dividend payout to -- and return to shareholders and a variation of net debt up or down. And that we were able to reconciliate the cash position at the end and at the beginning. But then when we look at the other variations, we should also go back and look at our working capital account. I mean, in the simplified way, it means inventory, suppliers and clients. All of the other accounts that are part of the working capital or academic working capital that takes into account tax payable or ICMS that you calculate in one quarter, but you pay the next quarter and salary accounts or also long-term bonuses that you appropriate throughout the year, but you pay in a certain month of the year and other variations that are part of the assets -- the current assets and liabilities now is being depicted as other variations. So once again, in our modeling guide, we are merging the previous concept with the current concept. And we understand that there was difficulty in adopting a new methodology. But this is just an accommodation. So the members will look prettier. I mean, we had a free positive -- a free -- positive free cash flow, but we understand it. Even though the number is not positive, as you would have been if we had used the previous concept, we are now being more transparent in terms of our capacity to generate cash.
Renata Oliva Battiferro: Camilla from Bradesco also asked about intense rainfall in the state of Rio Grande do Sul. If you could comment whether there is any impact on the operation by the heavy rainfall?
Rafael Japur: And I want to show our solidarity with all our employees and the whole population of the state of Rio Grande do Sul such a huge tragedy happening there, have been daily been in contact with local authorities and Gerdau is available to them not only in the short-term, but in what's coming in the future in revolving and mitigating the problems that will happen from now on. Just like we did in 2023, when at least twice, there were big impacts caused by rainfall. But specifically, regarding our operations, we decided yesterday to stop our production in [Shakya], this plant of special steels. There will be no impact on cost in supplying the market because that plant is not totally taken. Although in recent months, there has been an increase in orders for special steels for heavy industry. We still have a lot of capacity to supply additional demand. So we decided to stop the [Shakya] mill from today until Sunday because of the local impact caused by the rains on the homes of our employees. So that's the short-term impact, although it is not material. More important to us at this point is to show the safety, the health of our people and to reduce the impact on the lives of our employees. We want these impacts to be mitigated or resolved as much as possible. And we just heard Gustavo that we stopped our Rio Grande do Sul unit located in Sapucaia do Sul. It should stop for the coming days, so we can focus on what matters at this point, the safety of all our employees and the people and the communities where we operate.
Renata Oliva Battiferro: Next question from Ricardo Monegaglia, a sell-side analyst of Safra Bank. He asks to ask the questions live.
Ricardo Monegaglia: I have a problem with my camera, but I think you can hear me. I have two quick questions. If we can compare the project for special sales in Mexico I don't know if it will be approved. But if we could compare it with other projects that have now been started in the strategic CapEx plan in terms of priority, attractiveness, perhaps we could have the strategic plan from 2021 to '26 being extended. How do you see this if the Mexican project is approved? And the second question is about special steels. We saw a strong recovery in special steels, particularly in the margin quarter-on-quarter. This was driven, I guess, with the stronger demand in the U.S. So the margin difference that we see in the special steel operations of the U.S. and Brazil operations. Do we have the same order of magnitude that we see between Brazil and North America operations. And how are you thinking about volumes? If you could break it down by region, perhaps demand evolving in the second half of the year in the two regions? That comparison would be interesting.
Gustavo Werneck: All right, Ricardo. We're going to give you kind of a general answer and Japur will complement with more operational numbers, so to speak. And I'll speak about CapEx and investments in general. Well, both markets have shown a recovery in recent months. In U.S., there was an important progress in completing the union negotiation in our Monroe unit. We debated this in the last call, the strike that happened in the end of last year in the United States of the big car makers and the impact of that on the results of the automakers and on the automotive market in the U.S., we also went through a union negotiation. It was completed with minimum impact. We had no stop of paralysis in our Monroe operation. It is our biggest unit for special steels. So the U.S. market remains resilient. We believe that there might be some growth, although marginal in the demand for special steels in North America, until the end of the year. I think that the biggest upside comes from the Brazil operation. Not in lights deals that remains to have difficulties, interest rates, access to loans, but also given the penetration of imported vehicles, which happened before the increase in Texas, we are still having some vehicles arriving and this has impacted production of vehicles locally. But in the heavy duty vehicle segment, buses and trucks we saw recent months of significant increase in orders from our clients in the heavy vehicle segment. And this is the result, I believe of the transition from EUR5 to EUR6, which was completed. And also the expectation of growing crop seasons in the coming years. So the heavy vehicle market has recovered, and we believe it will recover even further by year-end based on Anfavea numbers and our own market outlook. Our Brazil operation, 60% of the demand comes from heavy vehicles, 40% from light vehicles. So overall, the results we saw regarding special steels in this quarter, well, there is a high likelihood that if it does increase slightly in the coming quarters, there will be at least the maintenance of these results. That's what we have for special steels, and I'll turn the floor to Japur to give us some numbers and to speak about the general CapEx plan of Gerdau.
Rafael Japur: I think I'll focus on the last point that Gustavo mentioned and I'll go to Mexico in the end. I guess, the regarding the margin, the main difference regarding our business model in the United States and in Brazil for special steels is linked to the way in which we price our contracts with our clients. In Brazil, we have negotiations with a closed price for our customers, given the specs of the steel we sell. While in the United States as the routine and the culture in the U.S. market, a significant part of our contracts with our customers are adjusted by the spread between prime scrap and the obsolete scrap in the U.S. market. So in moments when flat steel sectors have a high demand for prime scrap and the spread increases, then we have a marking of this premium of the surcharge in a realized revenues and that significantly increases our EBITDA margin. Well, the opposite happens as this happened in Q4. When we had a compression of the spread between prime scrap and obsolete scrap and that led to “mark-to-market” of our top line and impacting revenue. So I guess that the margins are not so different. They are resilient, they are important. But in the United States, overall, we have greater volatility of EBITDA margin compared to our special steels operation in Brazil. As regards to CapEx in Mexico that we are evaluating for special steels. When we think about our strategic CapEx curve from 2021 to 2026, and that's something we've been talking over and over with you since our last Investor Day and stakeholder Day in Minas Gerais last year. And we think about the that Gustavo detailed for this project in Mexico. That's when we are going to conduct the studies so that we can make a decision by year-end to have a green light or not from our Board of Directors. So we have 2025 as a year to hire the main suppliers to have the basic contracting to do the basic engineering for the investment so that we can start having more substantial CapEx disbursements starting in 2026. So we understand that these investments don't concur with the projects we already have in our portfolio in the 2021, '26 horizon. And this specific projects that we started looking into in more detail, more thoroughly and for which we expect to make a decision to move forward with by year-end. I'd like to remind you, our decision-making criteria considering our investment commitment that supports the decisions of our Board of Directors are very straight, very cautious to take into account a number of factors, and we've been very disciplined in terms of approving large investments. And that's why we've been prioritizing debottling -- debottlenecking the problems and to prioritize what we already have.
Renata Oliva Battiferro: Our next question from Lucas Laghi, sell-side analyst with XP (NASDAQ:XP). He would like to use his camera. Please enable the use of his camera.
Lucas Laghi: I have two very quick follow-ups. I think my first follow-up, I mean once you look at the production performance or the difference between production and shipments in the quarter, I think there is a seasonal issue if you compare the fourth quarter with the third quarter. But even looking year-on-year, we saw a more significant drop in shipments or stronger production when compared to shipments. I would just like to understand whether this was just a one-off demand issue that generated a surplus of inventory or whether it has to do with the company's planning given in backlog, just thinking about supplying to the future demand and excess production in this quarter or even explaining burning down our working capital because of the inventories once you compare this quarter to the previous quarter. My second point refers to the mix -- the Brazil mix in terms of exports. In your release, you mentioned that you were optimistic with the civil construction industry in Brazil. Well, there are quotas that were published. But could we think about the improvement of this mix getting closer to 15% of experts alone versus the 20% in the first quarter? Or given your visibility today, maybe it would make more sense for us to work with that 20% of exports without considering any other significant improvement for Brazil. I mean, thinking about this profitability gain due to the mix. These were my points.
Gustavo Werneck: Japur will start -- will start answering your question.
Rafael Japur: Let me start with these two topics. There is a mismatch between steel production and shipments due to the volume of sales that we sell to our joint ventures. This quarter, we didn't have any more. So there is a mismatch between steel production, which is a KPI that we talk about instead of rolling mill products. And on the other hand, we have shipments or sales or products that also considered rolling new products. And this will no longer occur since we shut down the Colombia and Dominican Republican operations because these two operations consumed a significant amount of steel that we would produce and sell to the subsidiaries. Now in the first quarter of this year, in fact, there was a price reduction in structure profiles and midsized profiles in North America in the second half of March. And we understand that this removed some of the volumes that we would -- that we thought we would realize in March, but they were then transferred to the second half of the year. Therefore, there was some accumulation of working capital, but mostly due to the rebound of 10% revenues, and that was a significant increase in revenue, but there was also the aspect of working capital accumulation because production was slightly higher and a reduction in prices at the end of the quarter that removes some of the traction of sales that were previously planned. Now thinking about the product mix, I think you have to be a bit cautious because even though we praise all of our advances because of the recent measures by the government of quota and tariffs, we have to see the results of that. And what will be the final outcome in the next quarters. We do not believe that there will be any impressive change coming in the next quarters. There might be some incremental changes to our mix between domestic sales and exports. But we understand that there has been an important progress between the 25% we had and the 19% that we have to date. So we are -- we remain optimistic, but we are even more optimistic in the second half of the year because maybe in this half of the year, it might be too soon to say that we will see significant changes. Well, this new measure that was approved at the end of April, just to add, Lucas, to that point. That 11 NCM, it's Mercosur Common Nomenclautre, it's just like an idea of every product. The decision of the Minister talks about imports of several NCMs from the period of 2020 to 2022. There was the technical standard, and that's why they decided to focus on these 11 NCM. There are a series of other measures that are now being steady to normalize things. That quota per quarter they will divide the annual quota in four, limiting it by quarter. So what will they do to look at the NCM per escape, I would say. So you by limiting with that number of 11 NCMs and other NCM that could be a replacement to these products. So now the ministry is taking additional measures. And at the same time, we will be monitoring very closely the use of other NCMs because in our view, there should be an increase of imports into Brazil, like rebars. If you look at it, rebar is not there, but we assume that there will be an increase in imported rebars and they would come into the market in an unfair way. And therefore, the ministry will closely monitor that. And if need be, they will introduce other measures. They will have a very detailed analysis. But all of these 11 NCMs are related to 25% of our deliveries to Brazil. So 75% is not related. So life goes on as usual. It will follow price dynamics, import premium, market, et cetera. But it is a relevant amount, 25% of everything we delivered that means that in the next few months, we will be able to see some changes in profitability and reduction in fixed costs, as I said before. And at the same time, other commercial measures are underway, like antidumping and other mechanisms that can be used. They will continue to happen normally. Brazil has no demand issues today. Demand remains sound in the civil construction industry, things are going as usual, we are constantly monitoring the member of active works, cut and band, et cetera. So we can previously check the health of this market. I know that you talk to construction companies, but we can measure things on a day-to-day basis. The market will continue to be very sound. So demand is not an issue in Brazil. It's clear that we will not see a significant boom. But demand will not go down. It goes through that 3 million additional tons of steel that is getting into Brazil. That 3 million means a large integrated plan. So if this the numbers change and they go back to numbers that we saw in 2018, 2019, like 11% rather than the 20% that we have today. We will be in place to resume profitability, as I said before, the profitability level that we believe is adequate for Brazil. This will allow us to continue to invest and to invest in these new investments is new things that I referred to before. That is it.
Renata Oliva Battiferro: Next question from Carlos De Alba, sell-side analyst from Morgan Stanley. He is asking for more details about the SBQ potential investment in Mexico and whether we could give them some more color in terms of what we envision for the second half of 2024 in terms of performance based on the different BDs and also information at a consolidated level? And how do we see working capital for the coming quarters? Also, if we intend to have another buyback program?
Gustavo Werneck: Well, I think we already talked a little bit about Mexico, maybe Japur could add something. So maybe Japur, you could answer both questions about performance, working capital going forward.
Rafael Japur: Mexico, I think we gave a lot of details. We can give you a follow-up later on if you need any particular explanation. But this is a region where we've been before. We are familiar with the market. We -- we have 10 years of experience. They are an imported market of SBQ. We are an important market in terms of exports. We export there from the U.S. and Brazil. We have a lot of our customers growing and also investing in Mexico because then considering the entire geopolitical scenario and near-shoring, we understand that it makes a lot of sense to us to invest and to analyze carefully our move in Mexico. Certainly our investment in SBQ in Mexico. In terms of our performance in the next quarter, well we do not give guidance on results, but we expect to see the recovery of the Brazil BD operations once we can optimize cost and everything else that Gustavo mentioned in previous questions, it's important that we also look at our stocks and inventory and working capital and variable costs that will be diluted into our results throughout time. So in our Brazil BD if everything remains constant, we should see an increase in margin throughout the year. In terms of the North American BD, it will depend on the dynamics of the economy. We are seeing sometimes opposite signs, given employment statistics, PMI statistics and architectural billing index. So it will very much depend on the level of operating leverage because as Gustavo said earlier, spreads remain very healthy. Now when we think about our working capital, we believe that this reduction in working capital that we've been experiencing should remain the same. We had 10 percentage points increase. That's why there was an additional demand of working capital in order to serve our customers, especially in the North American BD. But as we keep that level of service and this order book. And as sales go through our results, we understand that throughout the year, we see room for further release of working capital, especially in the second half of the year. Now, I think in terms of your third and last question about their buyback program. In this first quarter, we invested heavily in working capital. Our net debt did not move significantly. And as we have more visibility about our cash generation possibility throughout the year, we will evaluate not only their buyback program but also our policy of capital allocation.
Renata Oliva Battiferro: As we are running out of time and considering everyone's busy agenda, we are ending the Q&A session. Questions that were not answered will be answered by our Investor Relations team. Now I'd like to turn the floor over to Gustavo Werneck for the company's closing remarks. Gustavo?
Gustavo Werneck: Well on my behalf, on behalf of Japur and Renata and the whole Gerdau team, I would like to thank you once again for your participation. As always, it's -- it's a pleasure to talk to you and debate our results. And I would like to invite you to participate in our next earnings video conference call referring to the second quarter of 2024, which will be held on August 1. Thank you very much. All the best. Have a great weekend and take care.
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